Legislature(2001 - 2002)

04/23/2001 01:38 PM Senate HES

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            SB 198-STATEWIDE SUICIDE PREVENTION COUNCIL                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. KELLY HUBER, legislative  aide to Senator Halford, sponsor of SB
198 explained the measure  as follows.   SB 198 was designed to help                                                            
solve the increasing problem  of suicide in Alaska.  It is tragic to                                                            
lose a loved one of any  age to suicide, but it is especially tragic                                                            
to lose  a young person  with so  much to live  for.  Suicide  is an                                                            
ongoing epidemic in Alaska;  especially in rural Alaska and the Mat-                                                            
Su  Valley.   Suicide  in preventable.    SB  198 will  establish  a                                                            
Statewide  Suicide  Prevention Council  made  up of  14 private  and                                                            
public  members, representing  both  rural  and urban  Alaska.   The                                                            
council will focus on finding  ways to reduce suicide rates, broaden                                                            
public  awareness  of suicide  warning  signs, and  enhance  suicide                                                            
prevention services  and programs throughout the state.   Each March                                                            
the  council  will   bring  findings  and  recommendations   to  the                                                            
legislature for consideration.   This bill has bipartisan support in                                                            
the Senate and  Senator Halford asks the committee  to act favorably                                                            
on the legislation.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 376                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  asked if any thought was given to appointing  members                                                            
of the clergy to serve on the council.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. HUBER told Senator  Leman that Senator Halford looked at placing                                                            
a faith-based  representative  on the council.   He felt that  it is                                                            
important  to have representation  from rural  and urban Alaska  and                                                            
that  instead  of  placing  a  faith-based  representative   on  the                                                            
council,  their  advice  can  be sought  through  testimony  to  the                                                            
council.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  asked if it is the sponsor's intent  to have advisors                                                            
to the council.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. HUBER said she did  not think the sponsor would have any problem                                                            
with that  approach and  that the  more advisors,  the better.   She                                                            
pointed out that  Senator Halford was concerned that  if the council                                                            
became  too big, it  would be difficult  to get  consensus and  move                                                            
forward.  For that reason,  he kept the number of council members to                                                            
14.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  LEMAN said  he believes  that  some of  the best  qualified                                                            
people to provide  counsel in the  area of suicide are not  included                                                            
in the bill.   He hopes  those people can  be accessed somehow.   He                                                            
suggested  amending  the bill  to allow  the council  to appoint  an                                                            
advisory panel of an unlimited number of people.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR   WARD  said  he   agrees  that   people  from  faith-based                                                             
organizations  should  participate  with this  council,  as well  as                                                            
people  who  have  had personal  experience  with  suicide,  but  he                                                            
believes the amendment  will overcomplicate the bill.   He noted the                                                            
bill was structured  to create principal  executive officers,  which                                                            
brings into the network 14 statewide organizations.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  LEMAN said it  is his intent  to broaden  the reach  of the                                                            
council to  include people  who could be good  resources.   He moved                                                            
the following amendment (Amendment 1).                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Add to Sec. 44.29.330 on page 4, line 26:                                                                                       
     (c)  The council may appoint advisors to serve in an                                                                       
     advisory capacity to the council.  The advisors would serve                                                                
     without compensation.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He pointed out Amendment  1 is conceptual to allow the legal drafter                                                            
room to do some wordsmithing.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WARD  objected   and  said  he  believes   Amendment  1  is                                                            
unnecessary.   He asked  Senator Leman  to restate  Amendment  1 for                                                            
Senator Halford.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN explained  to Senator Halford that his amendment would                                                            
specifically  state that the council  may appoint an advisory  panel                                                            
to help  it conduct  its  business and  that the  panel would  serve                                                            
without compensation.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HALFORD pointed  out that the council can do that whether or                                                            
not it  is specifically stated  in the legislation,  but he  did not                                                            
believe adding it to the  legislation harms it in any way.  He added                                                            
that if all groups  that are interested in participating  had a seat                                                            
on the  council, the council  would have a  membership of about  30,                                                            
and panels of that size do not work well.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN asked Senator Leman to restate his motion.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  said a new  subparagraph (c)  would be added  to Sec.                                                            
44.29.330 that  would allow the appointment of an  advisory panel to                                                            
serve at the pleasure of and advise the council.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD again  objected and asked Senator Leman  how much money                                                            
he anticipates will have to be spent on the advisory panel.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN said none by the state.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WARD asked  if the  advisory panel  spent  money on  office                                                            
supplies or  travel, whether the money  would come out of  the total                                                            
effort.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  said it is not his  intention to provide for  travel.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WARD  said  he would  prefer  the  bill  specify  that  the                                                            
advisory panel be at no  cost.  He said he is aware that four of the                                                            
groups who  will have a representative  on the panel have  subgroups                                                            
that specifically  deal with  suicide prevention.   He said  he does                                                            
not want this effort to  supplant money into these other groups.  He                                                            
expressed caution  that this council should be created  to help, not                                                            
to become a bureaucracy.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  LEMAN said he  would be  happy to identify  in Amendment  1                                                            
that the advisory  panel serves at  the pleasure of the council  and                                                            
is not entitled to travel and per diem expenses.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD removed his  objection to Amendment 1, therefore it was                                                            
adopted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN  commented  that  she  finds the  absence  of  any                                                            
reference  to faith-based  organizations  throughout  SB  198 to  be                                                            
regrettable.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HALFORD noted that  a reference to faith-based organizations                                                            
was included  in the  bill when it  was being  crafted but the  bill                                                            
kept  getting   larger  and   larger  so   he  assumed  faith-based                                                             
representatives  would come forward to testify and  participate.  He                                                            
hopes they will  be very involved and he has no objection  to adding                                                            
further reference.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN said her  concern is that  the bill should  expect                                                            
the council to look to faith-based organizations.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HALFORD  felt many  of the appointees  to the council  could                                                            
also be from faith-based  organizations.  He repeated that he has no                                                            
problem with adding such  a member except for the size of the group.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN said she  appreciates that  but she would  like to                                                            
add some language to the duties section.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1250                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  moved to amend  (Amendment 2)  Sec. 44.29.350  (4) on                                                            
page 5, line to read:                                                                                                           
     (4) develop healthy communities through comprehensive,                                                                     
collaborative, community and faith based approaches;                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
There being no objection,  CHAIRWOMAN GREEN announced that Amendment                                                            
2 was adopted.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN  said one of the things she has noticed  when these                                                            
groups  are formed  is that  the council  employs  the coordinator.                                                             
However, it  is often the coordinator  who drives the agenda  of the                                                            
organization,  because of the rules  of longevity.  She asked  if SB
198 contains the  typical language for the hire of  the coordinator.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HALFORD said he  believes it does and that he shares Senator                                                            
Green's concern, except  that he thinks the people who are committed                                                            
to suicide prevention  will be committed for a long  term because of                                                            
their personal  experiences.  He doesn't think they  will be managed                                                            
by  staff  to  the  extent  that  some   of  the  other  boards  and                                                            
commissions are.  He felt  the people involved in this issue will be                                                            
well directed  and have a strong sense  of where the council  should                                                            
be going.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN suggested  revisiting this question five years from                                                            
now.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HALFORD pointed  out that  Sec. 44.29.330  could contain  a                                                            
provision  so that  the coordinator  must  be elected  by the  board                                                            
members biannually.   He cautioned that the committee  might want to                                                            
get another opinion  on this matter. He thought that  question could                                                            
be posed to the Commissioner  of DHSS or someone who deals with this                                                            
sort of scenario often.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1566                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN noted her  concern is based  on the fact  that she                                                            
has seen great  frustration on the  part of council members  who can                                                            
easily be "flim-flammed"  by a coordinator.   She thought  some type                                                            
of mandatory assessment  would put a coordinator on  notice that the                                                            
position  is not a career  for a lifetime  and that they do  have to                                                            
work with councils that may change directions.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  KAREN  PERDUE,  DHSS,  told  the  committee  that  the                                                            
council  can hire  the individual,  who would  be partially  exempt,                                                            
meaning that  person serves at the  pleasure of the council.   It is                                                            
important that  the individual be  accountable to state procedures,                                                             
such as  procurement, so  the individual needs  to be attached  to a                                                            
department.   She  suggested adding  language  to Sec. 44.29.330(b)                                                             
that says the  council shall annually review the performance  of the                                                            
director.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN  asked  if  that  is  what  DHSS  uses  for  other                                                            
positions  and whether the  council has to  take action whether  the                                                            
employee is to be retained or not.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  PERDUE  said it is  and that  the model  used now  for                                                            
partially  exempt coordinators  is that the  council does an  annual                                                            
review  and if the  council indicates  that the  coordinator  is not                                                            
performing up to certain standards, something will be done.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN asked  if there  is any language  in statute  that                                                            
covers this situation for other directors.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  PERDUE said  she is sure  there is  but she could  not                                                            
cite it at this time.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN  asked committee  members  for their  opinions  of                                                            
inserting such language.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  said he  is in agreement  with Commissioner  Perdue's                                                            
suggestion  and  although  Senator  Halford is  concerned  that  the                                                            
better applicants  will most  likely want a  long term contract,  he                                                            
believes there is nothing wrong with an annual review.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN noted that  without objection,  language  would be                                                            
inserted requiring  an annual review  of the coordinator's  position                                                            
(Amendment 3).                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  moved to adopt Amendment  4, which reads as  follows:                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     on page 3, line 29, delete "2" and insert "1" and                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     on page 4, line 13, add subsection (J) one person who is                                                                   
      a member of the clergy, meaning a minister, a rabbi, a                                                                    
     pastor, or youth minister.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  said the purpose of  the first part is to  reduce the                                                            
number of people  employed in the executive branch  from two to one.                                                            
He also noted  the second part of Amendment 4 is conceptual  so that                                                            
whatever definition that exists in state law can be used.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HALFORD said  that  as much  as he  would like  to see  the                                                            
number of council  members remain  as low as possible, he  suggested                                                            
that a new  member be added and none  be removed from the  executive                                                            
branch.   He  believes  that the  council will  want  more than  one                                                            
person from the executive branch to look to.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  suggested that the  second person from the  executive                                                            
branch serve on the advisory panel.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HALFORD  thought the executive  branch people are  those who                                                            
will  put  the  most  time  in because  it  is  part  of  their  job                                                            
description.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN suggested  just adding  a new  subsection (J)  and                                                            
adjusting  the total  number  of council  members  appointed by  the                                                            
Governor to 11 on page 3, line 28.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  LEMAN said he  will consider  that as  an amendment  to his                                                            
motion.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN noted  that with  no objection  to increasing  the                                                            
council membership  from 14 to 15, 11 of which will  be appointed by                                                            
the governor,  and  adding a  new member  who is  affiliated with  a                                                            
faith-based organization, Amendment 4 was adopted.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  moved to adopt Amendment 5, which would  place a four                                                            
year sunset date in the bill based on a four year cycle.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HALFORD  maintained  that 1988 or 1989  was the last  time a                                                            
working group  was formed  to look at this  issue and that  Alaska's                                                            
suicide  rate is much  higher than  many other states.   He  said he                                                            
does not have a problem  with the sunset review but he does not want                                                            
it  to suggest  that  the legislature  is  only making  a  temporary                                                            
commitment  to  this council.    He  feels this  council  should  be                                                            
ongoing.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  said he hopes the council will succeed  in preventing                                                            
suicide altogether but,  in reality, that is not likely.  His intent                                                            
is not to suggest that the council is temporary.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN noted the first sunset date would be 2005.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HALFORD  suggested asking  the Legislative Budget  and Audit                                                            
Division what  its schedule of sunset  reviews is as that  will be a                                                            
factor in the date.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN suggested  reviewing the sunset date in the Finance                                                            
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN agreed.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER PERDUE stated  DHSS is very grateful that this issue is                                                            
getting  attention   and  she  thanked   Senator  Halford   for  his                                                            
leadership on this issue.   She noted the last comprehensive look at                                                            
suicide  was  the result  of  a Senate  bill  that passed  in  1988.                                                            
Innovative work was done,  but since then, that program has not been                                                            
emphasized.   The problem is complex,  therefore the make-up  of the                                                            
council is important.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 2070                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN asked if  the 13 other councils listed on page 2 have                                                            
missions and measures attached  to them and, if so, whether it would                                                            
be  appropriate  to include  in  the  bill a  requirement  that  the                                                            
Statewide  Suicide  Prevention   Council  develop  and  present  its                                                            
missions and measures to the legislature.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HALFORD said he  does not know about the other councils, but                                                            
it would be appropriate to put such a requirement in the bill.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILKEN suggested  discussing  that  in the  Senate  Finance                                                            
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2170                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. VERN MARSHALL,  Executive Director of NEA-Alaska,  commended the                                                            
sponsor  for  introducing   SB  198.    He  noted  the   feeling  of                                                            
shallowness  that people experience  when someone they know  commits                                                            
suicide.  This  bill will hopefully  engage communities and  suicide                                                            
prevention efforts to help  young people choose to live.  He offered                                                            
to assist the committee and council in any way.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN said that Amendment 5 was not formally adopted.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN  announced that without objection,  Amendment 5 was                                                            
adopted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DAVIS  noted  the  bill was  amended  five  times  by  this                                                            
committee, and that several of those amendments were conceptual.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  moved CSSB  198(HES) with  its attached fiscal  notes                                                            
from committee with individual recommendations.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN said she  would distribute  copies of the  revised                                                            
bill to committee members as soon as it is drafted.                                                                             

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